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		<title>By: Ysharros</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2010/01/14/open-beta-the-double-edged-sword/comment-page-1/#comment-127718</link>
		<dc:creator>Ysharros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nerdragers! You&#039;ve made it, Pete! :D

I&#039;m always very puzzled by irate &quot;apples&quot; responses when someone was writing about &quot;oranges&quot; -- as in this case.

If expressing an opinion about a product, no matter how tangential and no matter how short, is a review, then I&#039;d better be careful what opinions I start expressing.

Or not. What the f*** do I care what non-reading nerdragers think? Aaaahhh, I feel better now. Let off some spleen. More room to generate more now. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nerdragers! You&#8217;ve made it, Pete! <img src='http://dragonchasers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m always very puzzled by irate &#8220;apples&#8221; responses when someone was writing about &#8220;oranges&#8221; &#8212; as in this case.</p>
<p>If expressing an opinion about a product, no matter how tangential and no matter how short, is a review, then I&#8217;d better be careful what opinions I start expressing.</p>
<p>Or not. What the f*** do I care what non-reading nerdragers think? Aaaahhh, I feel better now. Let off some spleen. More room to generate more now. <img src='http://dragonchasers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2010/01/14/open-beta-the-double-edged-sword/comment-page-1/#comment-127717</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK did a quick search on the Cryptic forums and found this link:

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=70503

Which is where loli, who goes as nynik over there, came from. 

Reading the thread, it&#039;s really interesting to see how people can take a blog post and twist it in their minds. How anyone can consider this post a review of anything is beyond my comprehension.

The irony, of course, is that if anything I&#039;ve been defending STO to people frustrated with the early conditions of the open beta, pointing out the stress testing is part of running a beta. nynik seems to be a fan of the game, yet he&#039;s attacking me.

A great example of why I avoid the &quot;community&quot; of official MMO forums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK did a quick search on the Cryptic forums and found this link:</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=70503" rel="nofollow">http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=70503</a></p>
<p>Which is where loli, who goes as nynik over there, came from. </p>
<p>Reading the thread, it&#8217;s really interesting to see how people can take a blog post and twist it in their minds. How anyone can consider this post a review of anything is beyond my comprehension.</p>
<p>The irony, of course, is that if anything I&#8217;ve been defending STO to people frustrated with the early conditions of the open beta, pointing out the stress testing is part of running a beta. nynik seems to be a fan of the game, yet he&#8217;s attacking me.</p>
<p>A great example of why I avoid the &#8220;community&#8221; of official MMO forums.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2010/01/14/open-beta-the-double-edged-sword/comment-page-1/#comment-127716</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion. Ive played the open beta and I have been enjoying it. I&#039;m pretty sure it will hold my interest for at least the first month. If so i will have had fun for my 50 bucks. I agree there are some bad design decisions and it doesnt really live up to all the talk. its very repetitive and all about combat, that isnt very star trek and I doubt the core game play mechanics are going to change all that much after its release. I submitted some mission bugs and played for a few hours but I don&#039;t want to ruin the game for myself, I was curious as hell and the beta has provided me with a much needed reality check. I&#039;m smart enough to know that the game is still buggy and that it will improve but I can also see what lies in store for me. I wont be canceling my pre order but If there isnt some fancy patches that improve the variety of missions I wont be subscribing for month two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion. Ive played the open beta and I have been enjoying it. I&#8217;m pretty sure it will hold my interest for at least the first month. If so i will have had fun for my 50 bucks. I agree there are some bad design decisions and it doesnt really live up to all the talk. its very repetitive and all about combat, that isnt very star trek and I doubt the core game play mechanics are going to change all that much after its release. I submitted some mission bugs and played for a few hours but I don&#8217;t want to ruin the game for myself, I was curious as hell and the beta has provided me with a much needed reality check. I&#8217;m smart enough to know that the game is still buggy and that it will improve but I can also see what lies in store for me. I wont be canceling my pre order but If there isnt some fancy patches that improve the variety of missions I wont be subscribing for month two.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what that last comment is about... it seems like it&#039;s a cross post from the Cryptic forums?

I&#039;m hearing 1 side of a conversation but just to be clear, this isn&#039;t a &quot;review&quot; of anything. I never claimed it to be and anyone who actually reads it can see that it isn&#039;t. It was just a discussion of the dilemma that MMO developers &amp; publishers have gotten themselves into with the beta policies. 

And how about showing some integrity and leaving a valid email the next time; I&#039;d like to know where all this is coming from but you didn&#039;t leave any contact info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what that last comment is about&#8230; it seems like it&#8217;s a cross post from the Cryptic forums?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hearing 1 side of a conversation but just to be clear, this isn&#8217;t a &#8220;review&#8221; of anything. I never claimed it to be and anyone who actually reads it can see that it isn&#8217;t. It was just a discussion of the dilemma that MMO developers &#038; publishers have gotten themselves into with the beta policies. </p>
<p>And how about showing some integrity and leaving a valid email the next time; I&#8217;d like to know where all this is coming from but you didn&#8217;t leave any contact info.</p>
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		<title>By: loli</title>
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		<dc:creator>loli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But the bad news is that players are trying to play and having a horrific experience. I was actually laughing at how awful the lag and rubber-banding was when I created my first open beta character, but I’d played in closed beta so didn’t really need the tutorials, and I know this behavior wasn’t typical for the game. It ran much better in closed beta and I, being ever the optimist (HA!), am assuming it’ll run much better after launch, too.&quot;

Quoted/Coloured text has been taken from the discussed article in the OP.

Can you not read the article your trying to talk about? He is clearly not offering a balanced, concise, fact driven review which you claim.

At no stage have I had a &#039;horrific&#039; experience. He expected things to run smoothly on 12 of Jan with tens of thousands of people logging in at once? 

&quot; But my issues aren’t with lag and performance so much as they are with the design of the game.&quot;

Your kidding me? 2/3rds of his half an A4 page one sides review talks about how &#039;bad&#039; the lag and performance is, with no update or admission to the fact that the performance over the past few days has increased ten fold and the lag has decreased also.

&quot;There’s nothing to keep a beta-tester around and once they walk away from your game, they’re probably never going to come back.&quot;

lolwut? He is clearly not a beta tester. He , as he admitted, only took a menial part in order to &#039;sample the free gameplay&#039;. An actual beta tester helps provide constructive feedback about the errors, problems and bugs. This guy is so transparent, his review is laudable only to the most dim witted, reality offset people. 

As an actual beta tester I recognise the limits of the beta, I recognise that we are not playing the release version, or even the most current version - as admitted by Cryptic - which he also fails to discuss.

What part of this &#039;review&#039; is actually a credible source of information? It contains no specifics about the tutorial, the actual gameplay of the non-current open bata, no discussion on its ability to be an MMO...

It is simply a forum for his own opinions and ideas and perspectives.

Why you would considering appreciating an opinion such as that is beyond me, but you are free to. Frankly, whether positive or negative, I expect a review to review correctly and to provide information about the topic, and to take into account the specifications and limitations under which the review was carried out.

And yet you come to these forums and post your drivel, touting Cryptic as the bad guy because they did not post some nobody&#039;s blogspot which contains no material value to any reader other than , as I outlined, the dim witted out of touch with reality and facts folk to which you have demonstrated you are a life time subscriber thereof.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But the bad news is that players are trying to play and having a horrific experience. I was actually laughing at how awful the lag and rubber-banding was when I created my first open beta character, but I’d played in closed beta so didn’t really need the tutorials, and I know this behavior wasn’t typical for the game. It ran much better in closed beta and I, being ever the optimist (HA!), am assuming it’ll run much better after launch, too.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quoted/Coloured text has been taken from the discussed article in the OP.</p>
<p>Can you not read the article your trying to talk about? He is clearly not offering a balanced, concise, fact driven review which you claim.</p>
<p>At no stage have I had a &#8216;horrific&#8217; experience. He expected things to run smoothly on 12 of Jan with tens of thousands of people logging in at once? </p>
<p>&#8221; But my issues aren’t with lag and performance so much as they are with the design of the game.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your kidding me? 2/3rds of his half an A4 page one sides review talks about how &#8216;bad&#8217; the lag and performance is, with no update or admission to the fact that the performance over the past few days has increased ten fold and the lag has decreased also.</p>
<p>&#8220;There’s nothing to keep a beta-tester around and once they walk away from your game, they’re probably never going to come back.&#8221;</p>
<p>lolwut? He is clearly not a beta tester. He , as he admitted, only took a menial part in order to &#8216;sample the free gameplay&#8217;. An actual beta tester helps provide constructive feedback about the errors, problems and bugs. This guy is so transparent, his review is laudable only to the most dim witted, reality offset people. </p>
<p>As an actual beta tester I recognise the limits of the beta, I recognise that we are not playing the release version, or even the most current version &#8211; as admitted by Cryptic &#8211; which he also fails to discuss.</p>
<p>What part of this &#8216;review&#8217; is actually a credible source of information? It contains no specifics about the tutorial, the actual gameplay of the non-current open bata, no discussion on its ability to be an MMO&#8230;</p>
<p>It is simply a forum for his own opinions and ideas and perspectives.</p>
<p>Why you would considering appreciating an opinion such as that is beyond me, but you are free to. Frankly, whether positive or negative, I expect a review to review correctly and to provide information about the topic, and to take into account the specifications and limitations under which the review was carried out.</p>
<p>And yet you come to these forums and post your drivel, touting Cryptic as the bad guy because they did not post some nobody&#8217;s blogspot which contains no material value to any reader other than , as I outlined, the dim witted out of touch with reality and facts folk to which you have demonstrated you are a life time subscriber thereof.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: xXJayeDuBXx</title>
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		<dc:creator>xXJayeDuBXx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open beta is more of a stress test on server loads these days.</description>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah you know, that&#039;s an extremely important point that I just missed. People do buy non-refundable (or at least, not easily refundable) pre-orders just to get into the beta. Hmmm. That certainly teeters the totter a bit in the favor of open betas, no matter how bad they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah you know, that&#8217;s an extremely important point that I just missed. People do buy non-refundable (or at least, not easily refundable) pre-orders just to get into the beta. Hmmm. That certainly teeters the totter a bit in the favor of open betas, no matter how bad they are.</p>
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		<title>By: We Fly Spitfires</title>
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		<dc:creator>We Fly Spitfires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beta&#039;s are big business now and almost a business model into themselves. I have to wonder how many people have already parted cash on Impulse and Steam or Fileplanet subscriptions in order to be able to play the game early.

Personally I&#039;m seriously considering cancelling my pre-order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beta&#8217;s are big business now and almost a business model into themselves. I have to wonder how many people have already parted cash on Impulse and Steam or Fileplanet subscriptions in order to be able to play the game early.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m seriously considering cancelling my pre-order.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So what can game developers do? I don’t think they can completely fix the problem, but what would help is to offer trial accounts from Day 1. Let people sample, for free, the final, launched game. That would cut down on the number of beta testers who treat open beta like a preview program.&quot;

Yes.  This is just good business, too.

I&#039;ve never played in a beta thinking that it would fully represent the final game.  I don&#039;t mind bugs... but I do have fun blasting core design decisions in hopes of getting them changed.

I&#039;m probably weird, though, since I work in games.  I&#039;ve played much more broken builds...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So what can game developers do? I don’t think they can completely fix the problem, but what would help is to offer trial accounts from Day 1. Let people sample, for free, the final, launched game. That would cut down on the number of beta testers who treat open beta like a preview program.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  This is just good business, too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never played in a beta thinking that it would fully represent the final game.  I don&#8217;t mind bugs&#8230; but I do have fun blasting core design decisions in hopes of getting them changed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably weird, though, since I work in games.  I&#8217;ve played much more broken builds&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Longasc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Longasc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We expect Betas to be free promotions with minor testing nowadays.

The problem with a Beta is you get bad press if the Beta has issues. And it has issues - not only the lag. Gameplay, especially Away Missions, are &quot;rough&quot; around the edges, to put it politely.
If it is really a Beta, I somehow do not see how I could help to improve the game, contribute something meaningful... that can be fixed till 02. or 08. February, I heard release got pushed back.

And hey, just because I cancelled my Preorder for now does not mean I cannot be ensorcelled to preorder again. I cancelled Guild Wars, too, and then I bought the CE and play(ed) for four years in a row. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We expect Betas to be free promotions with minor testing nowadays.</p>
<p>The problem with a Beta is you get bad press if the Beta has issues. And it has issues &#8211; not only the lag. Gameplay, especially Away Missions, are &#8220;rough&#8221; around the edges, to put it politely.<br />
If it is really a Beta, I somehow do not see how I could help to improve the game, contribute something meaningful&#8230; that can be fixed till 02. or 08. February, I heard release got pushed back.</p>
<p>And hey, just because I cancelled my Preorder for now does not mean I cannot be ensorcelled to preorder again. I cancelled Guild Wars, too, and then I bought the CE and play(ed) for four years in a row. <img src='http://dragonchasers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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