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		<title>By: ziboo</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2009/08/06/beckett-massive-online-gamer-doesnt-want-my-money/#comment-125528</link>
		<dc:creator>ziboo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I buy Beckett&#039;s for the codes too, not a subscriber.  I didn&#039;t see that specific article you mentioned by Ms. Bundy, but geez!  She&#039;s writing for an MMO - which stand for multi player not must group or else game!

I prefer to do alot of soloing, group when needed for quests/dungeons and obviously guild stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy Beckett&#8217;s for the codes too, not a subscriber.  I didn&#8217;t see that specific article you mentioned by Ms. Bundy, but geez!  She&#8217;s writing for an MMO &#8211; which stand for multi player not must group or else game!</p>
<p>I prefer to do alot of soloing, group when needed for quests/dungeons and obviously guild stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiqd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wiqd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Hudson on the fact that it boggles my mind when I see print mags for MMOs just because of the time required to print a mag as opposed to the short time it takes an MMO to evolve.

I see articles written all the time by TTH and I just think to myself &quot;Really? That&#039;s like ... months old and you&#039;re reporting on it?&quot; Maybe they aim their articles at casual gamers or something, I dunno :P

Anywho ... If the article is labeled as an Opinion piece I generally don&#039;t get worked up over what&#039;s in there because it&#039;s just that: an opinion. But if you&#039;re doing a game review and the game happens to have aspects that appeal to the solo gamer and you flame that portion of it, that&#039;s not cool at all. Review the game as objectively as you can and IF you feel you must make statements that regard your opinion on a matter, make sure to state it&#039;s your opinion and that&#039;s that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Hudson on the fact that it boggles my mind when I see print mags for MMOs just because of the time required to print a mag as opposed to the short time it takes an MMO to evolve.</p>
<p>I see articles written all the time by TTH and I just think to myself &#8220;Really? That&#8217;s like &#8230; months old and you&#8217;re reporting on it?&#8221; Maybe they aim their articles at casual gamers or something, I dunno <img src='http://dragonchasers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anywho &#8230; If the article is labeled as an Opinion piece I generally don&#8217;t get worked up over what&#8217;s in there because it&#8217;s just that: an opinion. But if you&#8217;re doing a game review and the game happens to have aspects that appeal to the solo gamer and you flame that portion of it, that&#8217;s not cool at all. Review the game as objectively as you can and IF you feel you must make statements that regard your opinion on a matter, make sure to state it&#8217;s your opinion and that&#8217;s that.</p>
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		<title>By: Loredena</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2009/08/06/beckett-massive-online-gamer-doesnt-want-my-money/#comment-125490</link>
		<dc:creator>Loredena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit it, I only buy Becketts for the codes, when there is a code that appeals or occasionally I&#039;ll buy it for one of Stargrace&#039;s articles.   The writing is in my opinion horribly uneven, and there have been quite a few articles of late that left me with the &#039;have you played the game or just read about it&#039; reaction, plus a few ostensibly scholarly ones that got their facts wrong.  Meh.  Still, I&#039;ve had that reaction to PCGamer too, sooo....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit it, I only buy Becketts for the codes, when there is a code that appeals or occasionally I&#8217;ll buy it for one of Stargrace&#8217;s articles.   The writing is in my opinion horribly uneven, and there have been quite a few articles of late that left me with the &#8216;have you played the game or just read about it&#8217; reaction, plus a few ostensibly scholarly ones that got their facts wrong.  Meh.  Still, I&#8217;ve had that reaction to PCGamer too, sooo&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Longasc -- I&#039;m glad you brought it up, because if you read it the way you did, others will too, and I&#039;d hate for the post to read like I was wanting to &quot;flog Rebecca&quot; beyond that one statement/attitude. I updated the main post to specifically state what I meant.

@Hudson -- I agree with you. Like I said, we get it (and despite my rant, will probably continue getting it) because of Stargrace&#039;s articles, because we like her and like to read everything she writes. And because of the codes, which are like the MMO equivalent of the old &quot;Demo Cover CDs&quot; that print gaming mags used to include. Back before you could easily d/l any demo you were interested in.

Idle thought: If everyone who ever solos suddenly canceled their MMO subscriptions and went off to play console games, what impact would that have on the industry?

@Longasc -- The hate you mention should be directed at the developer. Their challenge is to make a game that both encourages grouping and allows soloing as well. I&#039;m not saying that would be easy, but I think that&#039;s the challenge before them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Longasc &#8212; I&#8217;m glad you brought it up, because if you read it the way you did, others will too, and I&#8217;d hate for the post to read like I was wanting to &#8220;flog Rebecca&#8221; beyond that one statement/attitude. I updated the main post to specifically state what I meant.</p>
<p>@Hudson &#8212; I agree with you. Like I said, we get it (and despite my rant, will probably continue getting it) because of Stargrace&#8217;s articles, because we like her and like to read everything she writes. And because of the codes, which are like the MMO equivalent of the old &#8220;Demo Cover CDs&#8221; that print gaming mags used to include. Back before you could easily d/l any demo you were interested in.</p>
<p>Idle thought: If everyone who ever solos suddenly canceled their MMO subscriptions and went off to play console games, what impact would that have on the industry?</p>
<p>@Longasc &#8212; The hate you mention should be directed at the developer. Their challenge is to make a game that both encourages grouping and allows soloing as well. I&#8217;m not saying that would be easy, but I think that&#8217;s the challenge before them.</p>
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		<title>By: Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just do not understand in this day and age how a print mag about MMO&#039;s even manages to get by. Especially when that very topic of solo vs grouping has been done to the point of stomach nausea on every blog out there.

This goes for most print magazines now, my XBOX one being the only one I keep mainly for the perks of demo&#039;s and such. Even that will probably go away soon. Console mags have more reviews as well but I honestly skim over those now and usually hit IGN.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just do not understand in this day and age how a print mag about MMO&#8217;s even manages to get by. Especially when that very topic of solo vs grouping has been done to the point of stomach nausea on every blog out there.</p>
<p>This goes for most print magazines now, my XBOX one being the only one I keep mainly for the perks of demo&#8217;s and such. Even that will probably go away soon. Console mags have more reviews as well but I honestly skim over those now and usually hit IGN.com</p>
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		<title>By: Longasc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Longasc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah sorry, maybe I have taken your rant too serious. Almost sounded like &quot;flog Rebecca&quot; to me. :)
Forced grouping always sounded so helpless to me, as if people would have to be forced to group with others, as if it would be something bad. The hate for the soloplayer is usually connected with the notion that gameplay becomes group unfriendly, e.g. grouping in WoW outside of instances is really punished IMO, less xp, less drops, no benefits.

Muckbeast has a nice write-up on this solo vs group stuff:
http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/game_design/playing-alone-together.html

I think Aion does it right - you want 1-2 partners after the intro areas, but you can also make do without them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah sorry, maybe I have taken your rant too serious. Almost sounded like &#8220;flog Rebecca&#8221; to me. <img src='http://dragonchasers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Forced grouping always sounded so helpless to me, as if people would have to be forced to group with others, as if it would be something bad. The hate for the soloplayer is usually connected with the notion that gameplay becomes group unfriendly, e.g. grouping in WoW outside of instances is really punished IMO, less xp, less drops, no benefits.</p>
<p>Muckbeast has a nice write-up on this solo vs group stuff:<br />
<a href="http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/game_design/playing-alone-together.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/game_design/playing-alone-together.html</a></p>
<p>I think Aion does it right &#8211; you want 1-2 partners after the intro areas, but you can also make do without them.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I don&#039;t mean she is ignorant in general, or a bigot in terms beyond the solo vs grouper issue. But I do believe within the microcosm of MMO players, she is ignorant of the face that various play styles are supported (and also ignorant of the fact that many console games are team/group focused and online), and bigoted in her non-acceptance of other peoples&#039; life/play-style choices.

The job of an editor is to edit. I never suggested the editor should spike the entire story, but off-hand comments that alienate your readership should be edited out, yes. Unless, of course, you&#039;re talking about an opinion piece, in which case the writer&#039;s opinion should be left completely intact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I don&#8217;t mean she is ignorant in general, or a bigot in terms beyond the solo vs grouper issue. But I do believe within the microcosm of MMO players, she is ignorant of the face that various play styles are supported (and also ignorant of the fact that many console games are team/group focused and online), and bigoted in her non-acceptance of other peoples&#8217; life/play-style choices.</p>
<p>The job of an editor is to edit. I never suggested the editor should spike the entire story, but off-hand comments that alienate your readership should be edited out, yes. Unless, of course, you&#8217;re talking about an opinion piece, in which case the writer&#8217;s opinion should be left completely intact.</p>
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		<title>By: Longasc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Longasc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are again getting worked up so much about her opinion and the old solo vs group issue. What is a bit surprising is that you want the editors to do filter out such articles.

Are you sure you are not going to far if you call Rebecca Bundy bigot and ignorant if you suggest something like that?? Really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are again getting worked up so much about her opinion and the old solo vs group issue. What is a bit surprising is that you want the editors to do filter out such articles.</p>
<p>Are you sure you are not going to far if you call Rebecca Bundy bigot and ignorant if you suggest something like that?? Really.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stargrace -- One good rant deserves another. And anyway, your rants are always so nice they don&#039;t really read like rants anyway. :)

@Smak -- In my dubious defense, I do at least add the &#039;rants&#039; tag to posts that are pure venting pieces (which this absolutely was).

Generally people get bent out of shape because some obscure article or opinion piece digs up some kind of long-running issue (I think). This group vs solo thing has been kicked around the blogosphere a lot in fairly recent times.

I just resent the suggestion, coming from fellow customers, that we (solo players) should get the F out because of our play style. If solo players were constantly blogging that people who group suck and that they should go play Team Fortress, it might eventually wear on you too. Well, probably not in your specific case probably not since not much seems to get to you. But it might wear on a lot of group-oriented players.

Want to get pissed at the devs for not putting in enough group content? You&#039;ll have my full support. But don&#039;t give me attitude because I&#039;m paying for, and playing, the game the devs built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stargrace &#8212; One good rant deserves another. And anyway, your rants are always so nice they don&#8217;t really read like rants anyway. <img src='http://dragonchasers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Smak &#8212; In my dubious defense, I do at least add the &#8216;rants&#8217; tag to posts that are pure venting pieces (which this absolutely was).</p>
<p>Generally people get bent out of shape because some obscure article or opinion piece digs up some kind of long-running issue (I think). This group vs solo thing has been kicked around the blogosphere a lot in fairly recent times.</p>
<p>I just resent the suggestion, coming from fellow customers, that we (solo players) should get the F out because of our play style. If solo players were constantly blogging that people who group suck and that they should go play Team Fortress, it might eventually wear on you too. Well, probably not in your specific case probably not since not much seems to get to you. But it might wear on a lot of group-oriented players.</p>
<p>Want to get pissed at the devs for not putting in enough group content? You&#8217;ll have my full support. But don&#8217;t give me attitude because I&#8217;m paying for, and playing, the game the devs built.</p>
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		<title>By: SmakenDahed</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmakenDahed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you subscribe to a Multiplayer game to play by yourself? j/k! :)

I sometimes forget the purpose of blogs and wonder why people get so bent out of shape about some obscure article or opinion piece. Then I remember, a lot of bloggers use their blogs to vent.

Personally, I enjoy the group game. I don&#039;t feel chained to five other people, but I do admit I&#039;m reluctant to simple LFG because of the baggage it can bring. More often than not, I don&#039;t really get any issues in groups.

But hey, if the game is designed to support solo play, go for it.

I think the main irritation of groupers (no the fish) is that a lot of solo players become vocal and suggest changes to a game that wasn&#039;t designed to be solo. Of course, that&#039;s resentment speaking - the likely cause is what ever developer or big wig sees the numbers WoW pulls in and wants that too so they make the decision to add more solo content/focus. It&#039;s kind of tough to find a (new) good group oriented MMO at the moment. 

MMORPG -&gt; MMOG -&gt; MOG :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you subscribe to a Multiplayer game to play by yourself? j/k! <img src='http://dragonchasers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I sometimes forget the purpose of blogs and wonder why people get so bent out of shape about some obscure article or opinion piece. Then I remember, a lot of bloggers use their blogs to vent.</p>
<p>Personally, I enjoy the group game. I don&#8217;t feel chained to five other people, but I do admit I&#8217;m reluctant to simple LFG because of the baggage it can bring. More often than not, I don&#8217;t really get any issues in groups.</p>
<p>But hey, if the game is designed to support solo play, go for it.</p>
<p>I think the main irritation of groupers (no the fish) is that a lot of solo players become vocal and suggest changes to a game that wasn&#8217;t designed to be solo. Of course, that&#8217;s resentment speaking &#8211; the likely cause is what ever developer or big wig sees the numbers WoW pulls in and wants that too so they make the decision to add more solo content/focus. It&#8217;s kind of tough to find a (new) good group oriented MMO at the moment. </p>
<p>MMORPG -&gt; MMOG -&gt; MOG <img src='http://dragonchasers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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