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		<title>By: Anjin</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2009/07/12/the-mmo-as-religion/#comment-124823</link>
		<dc:creator>Anjin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason we see this in any community, as Openedge explains, has to do with people tying their self-worth to the worthiness of the things they are personally invested in. Essentially, the AoC global gankers believe that anyone professing a preference (or even tolerance) of anything other than their chosen game is actually commenting on the worthiness of the person themselves.

The best explanation of this phenomenon comes from (believe it or not) the comic book Cerebus, issue 209. In it, the title character is furious because his friend does not like a comic book (very meta) that Cerebus liked very much. I had to reevaluate my own beliefs and reactions after reading that issue. Funny the things that force you to grow as a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason we see this in any community, as Openedge explains, has to do with people tying their self-worth to the worthiness of the things they are personally invested in. Essentially, the AoC global gankers believe that anyone professing a preference (or even tolerance) of anything other than their chosen game is actually commenting on the worthiness of the person themselves.</p>
<p>The best explanation of this phenomenon comes from (believe it or not) the comic book Cerebus, issue 209. In it, the title character is furious because his friend does not like a comic book (very meta) that Cerebus liked very much. I had to reevaluate my own beliefs and reactions after reading that issue. Funny the things that force you to grow as a person.</p>
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		<title>By: Longasc</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2009/07/12/the-mmo-as-religion/#comment-124769</link>
		<dc:creator>Longasc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Openedge is quite right.

A lot of people are back to re-evaluate Age of Conan. And they almost inevitably have to mention the range of MMOs they played and compare them, which usually causes strong reactions.

There are some reasons why many MMOs have &quot;global&quot; deactivated by default or do not have it at all, following the notion that zone chat is enough. Does WoW have a global chat at all, because I never switched it on, and it is not active by default.

Global in AoC contains Guild recruitment, LFG, trade. This is almost like Guild Wars, using the looking for group interface for trade in cities.

MMO design already begins with the chat functions, it seems! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Openedge is quite right.</p>
<p>A lot of people are back to re-evaluate Age of Conan. And they almost inevitably have to mention the range of MMOs they played and compare them, which usually causes strong reactions.</p>
<p>There are some reasons why many MMOs have &#8220;global&#8221; deactivated by default or do not have it at all, following the notion that zone chat is enough. Does WoW have a global chat at all, because I never switched it on, and it is not active by default.</p>
<p>Global in AoC contains Guild recruitment, LFG, trade. This is almost like Guild Wars, using the looking for group interface for trade in cities.</p>
<p>MMO design already begins with the chat functions, it seems! <img src='http://dragonchasers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: openedge1</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2009/07/12/the-mmo-as-religion/#comment-124742</link>
		<dc:creator>openedge1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now

Log into WoW. Mention in global there how you like playing Age of Conan. Or pick any game...LOTRO, WAR, Vanguard...you name it.

See how civil they are.

Oh wait, I have one. Log into Vanguard and just mention any of the above games...and NOT WoW...watch what happens.

This phenomenon is not just attributed to WoW now. MMO malaise has destroyed the genre. The samey-ness of these games makes one more apt to support one above the other. And when you mention the other game in that game you are currently in...watch what happens.

Here is another way to look at it...

If I walk into a factory that makes Pepsi, and shout out that I am drinking a Coke...do you think they will say &quot;Cool&quot;...or what do YOU think will happen.

Just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now</p>
<p>Log into WoW. Mention in global there how you like playing Age of Conan. Or pick any game&#8230;LOTRO, WAR, Vanguard&#8230;you name it.</p>
<p>See how civil they are.</p>
<p>Oh wait, I have one. Log into Vanguard and just mention any of the above games&#8230;and NOT WoW&#8230;watch what happens.</p>
<p>This phenomenon is not just attributed to WoW now. MMO malaise has destroyed the genre. The samey-ness of these games makes one more apt to support one above the other. And when you mention the other game in that game you are currently in&#8230;watch what happens.</p>
<p>Here is another way to look at it&#8230;</p>
<p>If I walk into a factory that makes Pepsi, and shout out that I am drinking a Coke&#8230;do you think they will say &#8220;Cool&#8221;&#8230;or what do YOU think will happen.</p>
<p>Just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2009/07/12/the-mmo-as-religion/#comment-124731</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Professor Beej said just what I was thinking...The people who backlash at players from other game are only hurting themselves. If they want their community to grow, and to show what a grea game they&#039;re playing, they should receive people from other games with open arms.

&quot;You came from WoW? Welcome, we hope you enjoy Conan as long as you&#039;re here!&quot;
&quot;I used to play WoW. Maybe you&#039;ll decide to switch over with us. If not, glad to have you around.&quot;

Incidentally, this is a better way to welcome people to your churches, too. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Professor Beej said just what I was thinking&#8230;The people who backlash at players from other game are only hurting themselves. If they want their community to grow, and to show what a grea game they&#8217;re playing, they should receive people from other games with open arms.</p>
<p>&#8220;You came from WoW? Welcome, we hope you enjoy Conan as long as you&#8217;re here!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I used to play WoW. Maybe you&#8217;ll decide to switch over with us. If not, glad to have you around.&#8221;</p>
<p>Incidentally, this is a better way to welcome people to your churches, too. <img src='http://dragonchasers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Professor Beej</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2009/07/12/the-mmo-as-religion/#comment-124707</link>
		<dc:creator>Professor Beej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of it has to do with desiring the proliferation of a single intellectual property over another.  We all want what we like to be more successful, and in geekdom, there&#039;s a typical mindset that comes from not being mainstream that eventually leads to such hostility and venom.

I wrote about this a bit ago. http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/07/choosing-sides-in-geek-wars.html  But I really don&#039;t understand it.

Being a geek was almost like a religion for years before it became mainstream, and a lot of the zealotry from that time persists.  I also think in the case of AoC vs. WoW, it&#039;s a niche game vs. a mainstream title that does a little bit of everything.  

One of the things people don&#039;t realize is that their negative attitudes and &quot;protecting&quot; their games from outsiders makes people like me and you not want to return.  That&#039;s not the type of community I want to be involved in, and that&#039;s a major part of an MMO to me. If the community stinks, I&#039;ll find a better place to spend my time, even if the game is fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of it has to do with desiring the proliferation of a single intellectual property over another.  We all want what we like to be more successful, and in geekdom, there&#8217;s a typical mindset that comes from not being mainstream that eventually leads to such hostility and venom.</p>
<p>I wrote about this a bit ago. <a href="http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/07/choosing-sides-in-geek-wars.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/07/choosing-sides-in-geek-wars.html</a>  But I really don&#8217;t understand it.</p>
<p>Being a geek was almost like a religion for years before it became mainstream, and a lot of the zealotry from that time persists.  I also think in the case of AoC vs. WoW, it&#8217;s a niche game vs. a mainstream title that does a little bit of everything.  </p>
<p>One of the things people don&#8217;t realize is that their negative attitudes and &#8220;protecting&#8221; their games from outsiders makes people like me and you not want to return.  That&#8217;s not the type of community I want to be involved in, and that&#8217;s a major part of an MMO to me. If the community stinks, I&#8217;ll find a better place to spend my time, even if the game is fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2009/07/12/the-mmo-as-religion/#comment-124704</link>
		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just religion or games.  Politics are all about &quot;us vs. them&quot; with little objectivity or civility.  Call it &quot;human nature&quot; or just plain old cussedness, whatever it is, it&#039;s all over the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just religion or games.  Politics are all about &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; with little objectivity or civility.  Call it &#8220;human nature&#8221; or just plain old cussedness, whatever it is, it&#8217;s all over the place.</p>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2009/07/12/the-mmo-as-religion/#comment-124681</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on Wiccana as well, but I haven&#039;t been paying attention to global chat.  Mostly I&#039;ve been busy hunting my tombstones, because I totally forgot how to play this game.

But @Longasc, you like APPLES???  WTF.  Snow White liked apples.   Do you hang out with dwarves too?  Lol.

But in all seriousness, I agree with Sharon there is somewhat of a backlash to it.  I think people are afraid that if enough WoW tourists show up, &quot;their&quot; MMO will turn more like WoW.  While the amount of vitriole they employ is certainly disgusting, I am not sure their fears are entirely unfounded.  I mean, look at EverQuest II. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on Wiccana as well, but I haven&#8217;t been paying attention to global chat.  Mostly I&#8217;ve been busy hunting my tombstones, because I totally forgot how to play this game.</p>
<p>But @Longasc, you like APPLES???  WTF.  Snow White liked apples.   Do you hang out with dwarves too?  Lol.</p>
<p>But in all seriousness, I agree with Sharon there is somewhat of a backlash to it.  I think people are afraid that if enough WoW tourists show up, &#8220;their&#8221; MMO will turn more like WoW.  While the amount of vitriole they employ is certainly disgusting, I am not sure their fears are entirely unfounded.  I mean, look at EverQuest II. <img src='http://dragonchasers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2009/07/12/the-mmo-as-religion/#comment-124678</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sharon -- Yeah, you might be on to something. Sometimes you just wind up being the straw the broke the camel&#039;s back, without even realizing there are other straws already there.

@Longasc -- Nail on the head. Although I suppose the XBox 360 vs PS3 &quot;rivalry&quot; was almost as bitter and ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sharon &#8212; Yeah, you might be on to something. Sometimes you just wind up being the straw the broke the camel&#8217;s back, without even realizing there are other straws already there.</p>
<p>@Longasc &#8212; Nail on the head. Although I suppose the XBox 360 vs PS3 &#8220;rivalry&#8221; was almost as bitter and ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2009/07/12/the-mmo-as-religion/#comment-124669</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just went back to AoC for the 14 day promotion, and my characters are on Wiccana also. I&#039;ve noticed a lot of the &quot;OMG, WoW is way better than this game!&quot; trolls in global, to the point where I eventually just flipped my combat tab to the front and left it there. Maybe some people just snapped at the mention of WoW after seeing so much trolling? It&#039;s not an excuse for being nasty, but I could see it happening.

I think what we&#039;re seeing with WoW is kind of a pop culture backlash. There is a segment of the gaming population that&#039;s disdainful of it simply because of its popularity. It&#039;s all very silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just went back to AoC for the 14 day promotion, and my characters are on Wiccana also. I&#8217;ve noticed a lot of the &#8220;OMG, WoW is way better than this game!&#8221; trolls in global, to the point where I eventually just flipped my combat tab to the front and left it there. Maybe some people just snapped at the mention of WoW after seeing so much trolling? It&#8217;s not an excuse for being nasty, but I could see it happening.</p>
<p>I think what we&#8217;re seeing with WoW is kind of a pop culture backlash. There is a segment of the gaming population that&#8217;s disdainful of it simply because of its popularity. It&#8217;s all very silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Longasc</title>
		<link>http://dragonchasers.com/2009/07/12/the-mmo-as-religion/#comment-124666</link>
		<dc:creator>Longasc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There must be something special about MMOs that players react so strongly and aggressively towards other players.

Nobody would get worked up if I say I like the color red and apples, and someone else likes blue and bananas.

If we see MMOs as virtual worlds, well, anyone that says that another world is better or that this virtual world sucks attacks the very foundations of their virtual world. Add a high level of immaturity that nowadays is almost expected from global MMO talk channels, and there we have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There must be something special about MMOs that players react so strongly and aggressively towards other players.</p>
<p>Nobody would get worked up if I say I like the color red and apples, and someone else likes blue and bananas.</p>
<p>If we see MMOs as virtual worlds, well, anyone that says that another world is better or that this virtual world sucks attacks the very foundations of their virtual world. Add a high level of immaturity that nowadays is almost expected from global MMO talk channels, and there we have it.</p>
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